Post by Feta on Dec 18, 2020 12:33:45 GMT -5
...and the Feedback gaffe, where Roger Bolton thinks only Friday's is missing.
At some point, the thread I posted on the Mustardland forum will disappear (and the link below will give an error), because threads have a limited shelf-life. I want there to be some record of the fact that I raised the issue of Feedback ignoring Roger Bolton's apparent slip, should Sunday broadcasts of the archers never return.
Simply cutting and pasting the two pages looks messy, but it's all there, and that's the main thing.
It just hit me this week that it's not just Friday that was cut...
Post by Joe K » October 19th, 2020, 12:57 pm
...despite the stuff that we've been getting stuff like 'Cabin Pressure' in the Sunday slot for the last couple of months. This means that it's not just Friday's episode we're missing (which doesn't get a repeat the next day, so WIGIG), but Sunday's too. I now know that this is why I keep missing the end of the Sunday morning omnibus. It's four episodes, not five.
I always assumed that things would eventually get back to normal, but now I wonder if one, or even both of these episodes could succumb to the 'the new normal', and BBC costcutting, as repeats of 'Something Understood' and cheap to make 'Fourthought's invade our schedules.
I wasn't expecting 'Loose Ends' on a Monday morning...
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Post by Barwick_Green » October 19th, 2020, 2:01 pm
I wasn't expecting 'Loose Ends' on a Monday morning...
There are more than enough loose ends in TA.....did Jazzer hand over the lottery ticket winnings to Johnny? Was Jim Lloyd’s extension ever finished? Is Shula at viccaring school (where is fatso Franks,?) Is Auntie Cardboard still alive in her sheltered housing? Has the BFNI dairy re-opened yet? Where are the new younger attractive bar staff at the Bull?
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Post by Aonghas » October 19th, 2020, 2:30 pm
Barwick_Green wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 2:01 pm
There are more than enough loose ends in TA.....did Jazzer hand over the lottery ticket winnings to Johnny? Was Jim Lloyd’s extension ever finished? Is Shula at viccaring school (where is fatso Franks,?) Is Auntie Cardboard still alive in her sheltered housing? Has the BFNI dairy re-opened yet? Where are the new younger attractive bar staff at the Bull?
How is Justin's octogenarian Cousin Tinnie's new baking business doing?
Is Ian on some form of special leave?
Is GG even working?
Is Alice still meant to be working in the HF office?
Is the new peacock still roaming free and savaging helpless coppers?
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Post by catvirago » October 19th, 2020, 3:09 pm
Is Helen still on the banks of the Am yelling across to Lee? Is he seeing his girls? Is giddy Jack still alive?
Whatever happened to Kirstie, that sensible lass who could see through a wrong 'un a mile off. We seem to have acquired a dim wit called curse-tea in her place.
I miss the Sunday episode more than any others. It was a pleasant way of finishing the weekend & easing into a new week.
I'll bet we never get 6 episodes back. Cost cutting & all that & the listener & pun'ers have no choice. Take it or leave it.
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Post by Penny Magpie » October 19th, 2020, 4:03 pm
I miss the Friday episodes more. There was always a feeling of wrapping up some of the week's events, plus the possibility of a cliffhanger or crisis of some sort. But a three-day weekend is far too long for a drama that's supposed to run in real time. We're only getting two-thirds of the airtime we used to get - or to put it another way, they'd have to increase it by 50% to get back to the previous level.
In a way, this grumbling is a compliment to TA. During the miserable monologues, it was almost a relief when I found it was an Archers-free night, but now that the SLs have picked up again, I want more! TA has been part of the fabric of my everday life for many years, but a four-day week doesn't really do this now.
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Post by Whitstable_Oystercatcher » October 19th, 2020, 5:18 pm
Penny Magpie wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 4:03 pm
I miss the Friday episodes more.
So do I. When I first started listening, and for quite a few years afterwards, five episodes a week was all there was.
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Post by Aonghas » October 19th, 2020, 5:41 pm
Same here. Just the five till 1998. And of course they skimmed minutes from those to create Sunday.
It was a boon to get the Minivan customised to accommodate all the week's minutes though it stopped fitting nicely on a C60.
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Post by catvirago » October 19th, 2020, 8:18 pm
If a C60 is what I think it is it's a tape that lasts 60 minutes. I used to tape the top 20 with Alan Freeman from the radio using them., always trying to avoid him talking over the start if a record. Always bought the make called Basf as they were supposedly the best
We pronounced them bass eff if buying one. Never found out how it should have been said.
I'm not claiming to be young but tapes were a big part of my teens, 20's & 30's.
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Post by steenbok » October 19th, 2020, 8:32 pm
I used to get C90s. C120s had a shorter lifetime than a mayfly.
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Post by Aonghas » October 19th, 2020, 8:37 pm
Def C90s. Durable enough and would normally take an album on each side with occasional pruning.
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Post by Chris Ghoti » October 19th, 2020, 8:39 pm
Aonghas wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 5:41 pm
It was a boon to get the Minivan customised to accommodate all the week's minutes though it stopped fitting nicely on a C60.
Yes, had to use a C90 instead. Never used C120 because they snapped too easily.
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Post by Penny Magpie » October 19th, 2020, 9:09 pm
This is as good a time as any to tell you that my daughter once dropped a cassette tape (length irrelevant) into an electric toaster by mistake - it was on a shelf above the toaster and fell in just as she was putting in some bread. It emerged like something from a Salvador Dali painting and was kept on display afterwards like some sort of conceptual artwork.
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Post by Colmans » October 20th, 2020, 8:38 am
catvirago wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 3:09 pm
Is Helen still on the banks of the Am yelling across to Lee? Is he seeing his girls? Is giddy Jack still alive?
Whatever happened to Kirstie, that sensible lass who could see through a wrong 'un a mile off. We seem to have acquired a dim wit called curse-tea in her place.
I miss the Sunday episode more than any others. It was a pleasant way of finishing the weekend & easing into a new week.
I'll bet we never get 6 episodes back. Cost cutting & all that & the listener & pun'ers have no choice. Take it or leave it.
If had a "like" button , I'd press it now.
We are being short-changed and I think this will be the new normal.
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Post by SabrinaT » October 20th, 2020, 8:42 am
She should have entered it for the Turner prize, Penny!
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Post by Chris Ghoti » October 20th, 2020, 10:40 am
Penny Magpie wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 9:09 pm
This is as good a time as any to tell you that my daughter once dropped a cassette tape (length irrelevant) into an electric toaster by mistake - it was on a shelf above the toaster and fell in just as she was putting in some bread. It emerged like something from a Salvador Dali painting and was kept on display afterwards like some sort of conceptual artwork.
If she'd been in Bristol we'd have said "take it down the Arnolfini!"
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Post by Penny Magpie » October 20th, 2020, 3:23 pm
Chris Ghoti wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 10:40 am
If she'd been in Bristol we'd have said "take it down the Arnolfini!"
Yes, I think she missed a trick. All it needed was a snappy name ... come on, there's a challenge! (And no, I don't know what was on the tape, it was probably a C90 or something with her own mix of music on it.)
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Post by Lucifer Sam » October 20th, 2020, 6:54 pm
Penny Magpie wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 4:03 pm
I miss the Friday episodes more. There was always a feeling of wrapping up some of the week's events, plus the possibility of a cliffhanger or crisis of some sort. But a three-day weekend is far too long for a drama that's supposed to run in real time. We're only getting two-thirds of the airtime we used to get - or to put it another way, they'd have to increase it by 50% to get back to the previous level.
In a way, this grumbling is a compliment to TA. During the miserable monologues, it was almost a relief when I found it was an Archers-free night, but now that the SLs have picked up again, I want more! TA has been part of the fabric of my everday life for many years, but a four-day week doesn't really do this now.
I agree with you , Penny; four times a week ain't enough. For me, five is the right number.
In defence of the BBC, I think the Sunday episode was introduced because a lot of things happen on a Sunday; cricket matches, fetes, 'open farm' days, etc. When the programme started in the 1950s Sundays were very different indeed; church, a big lunch and then sitting at home getting bored. (At least that's what my extensive research (that episode of 'Hancock's Half Hour') tells me.)
Maybe the best rhythm for TA would be Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Nothing much seems to happen on Tuesdays.
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Post by Tugrin » October 20th, 2020, 7:13 pm
Sundays were just like that - sheer purgatory in the darker months and only a bit better in the summer....(aaaargh Sing Something Simple felt like a doom laden bell tolling the death of the weekend - put me seriously off the accordian for life).
I remember feeling a bit uncomfortable about the Sunday epi when it first started - have I mentioned how much I dislike change?? But I quickly grew to feel exactly the same way about it cosily finishing off the weekend.
I don't know how I feel about the return or not of the former schedule because I stopped listening on any kind of regular basis after the Helen/Rob debacle.
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Post by Chris Ghoti » October 20th, 2020, 7:50 pm
Lucifer Sam wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 6:54 pm
Maybe the best rhythm for TA would be Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Nothing much seems to happen on Tuesdays.
Except for all the things that are arranged for Tuesday evenings because nothing ever happens on Tuesdays, so that you have to miss all but one of them.
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Post by Rwth of the Cornovii » October 20th, 2020, 8:14 pm
I want them to drop Sunday and give the minutes back to weekdays. Then they can just do the trails at 8.45 on Monday. One of each. We really don't need trails, and I still don't understand why there is an hour of news at 5pm followed by another half hour of more news at 6pm. It's the state interference breaking up our attention span by alternately splitting trains of thought then boring us silly with political gossip and speculation interminably.
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Post by Aonghas » October 20th, 2020, 8:19 pm
Rwth of the Cornovii wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 8:14 pm
I still don't understand why there is an hour of news at 5pm followed by another half hour of more news at 6pm.
That! Though I didn't mind the news I found it utterly flummoxing as child on car journeys that after PM we would seemingly start again but in a more boring way.
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Post by Joe K » October 20th, 2020, 8:21 pm
Penny Magpie wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 4:03 pm
In a way, this grumbling is a compliment to TA. During the miserable monologues, it was almost a relief when I found it was an Archers-free night, but now that the SLs have picked up again, I want more! TA has been part of the fabric of my everday life for many years, but a four-day week doesn't really do this now.
In a nutshell. It's in my DNA to catch the programme when I remember, but recently, it's been a relief to realise that it's Friday, there's no Archers, and by Sunday I'd stopped thinking about it at all.
It's only now that the deficit is becoming apparent and, as above, it's not just about the Archers but every little wheeze the Beeb employs to make ends meet. Now 'Tracks' is getting repeated daily on weekdays, and the old rule of two repeats only has clearly been ditched.
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Post by Joe K » October 20th, 2020, 8:23 pm
catvirago wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 8:18 pm
If a C60 is what I think it is it's a tape that lasts 60 minutes. I used to tape the top 20 with Alan Freeman from the radio using them., always trying to avoid him talking over the start if a record. Always bought the make called Basf as they were supposedly the best
We pronounced them bass eff if buying one. Never found out how it should have been said.
I'm not claiming to be young but tapes were a big part of my teens, 20's & 30's.
BASFs were the best. Chrome Normal II in particular. I had a few with a 100 minutes, and that was just right for a mix tape.
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Post by hiya_loxley » October 20th, 2020, 8:34 pm
You still needed a C120 as a C90 only had 45 minutes on each side so you had to be there to turn it over half way through in which case you might as well just listen to it.
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Post by Aonghas » October 20th, 2020, 8:42 pm
hiya_loxley wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 8:34 pm
You still needed a C120 as a C90 only had 45 minutes on each side so you had to be there to turn it over half way through in which case you might as well just listen to it.
By the time I was taping regularly or having tapes sent technology had solved that problem, so no you didn't.
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Post by Chris Ghoti » October 20th, 2020, 9:15 pm
Joe K wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 8:21 pm
It's only now that the deficit is becoming apparent and, as above, it's not just about the Archers but every little wheeze the Beeb employs to make ends meet. Now 'Tracks' is getting repeated daily on weekdays, and the old rule of two repeats only has clearly been ditched.
If you aren't careful you can hear the same programme three times within two days on the World Service.
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Post by dougie » October 21st, 2020, 8:04 am
Chris Ghoti wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 9:15 pm
If you aren't careful you can hear the same programme three times within two days on the World Service.
R4X has only six hours of programming a day repeated four times in 24 hours.
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Post by Funny Mummy » October 21st, 2020, 12:27 pm
dougie wrote: ↑October 21st, 2020, 8:04 am
R4X has only six hours of programming a day repeated four times in 24 hours.
I read that as 'Rex has only six hours of programming a day repeated four times in 24 hours'. What a thought, Rex, 24/7.
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Post by Joe K » October 21st, 2020, 12:57 pm
Chris Ghoti wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 9:15 pm
If you aren't careful you can hear the same programme three times within two days on the World Service.
Used to be, you could hear the same programme, or 'feature', three times in one night on the World Service, so I guess that's improved. Though the programming hasn't.
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Post by Chris Ghoti » October 21st, 2020, 1:01 pm
Joe K wrote: ↑October 21st, 2020, 12:57 pm
Used to be, you could hear the same programme, or 'feature', three times in one night on the World Service, so I guess that's improved. Though the programming hasn't.
I am utterly furious with them about today's "Witness History": now is not the time to broadcast a programme about a vaccine which went wrong 65 years ago!
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Post by rosiet » October 21st, 2020, 1:47 pm
Aonghas wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 8:42 pm
By the time I was taping regularly or having tapes sent technology had solved that problem, so no you didn't.
Still using cassette tapes for the Archers every day,
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Post by Joe K » October 26th, 2020, 10:26 am
Joe K wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 12:57 pm
...despite the stuff that we've been getting stuff like 'Cabin Pressure' in the Sunday slot for the last couple of months.
I just noticed the excess of 'stuff' in that sentence. Probably paused while typing, and then mistakenly though the second one was needed between 'getting' and 'like'.
The reason I've come back to it is that 'Feedback' is also apparently under the impression that it's four episodes instead of five now, and this thread is further evidence that it's worse than that.
I hope this doesn't mean the Sunday episode is for the chop.
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Post by Joe K » November 15th, 2020, 2:16 pm
Sadly, Roger Bolton hasn't corrected his mistake, and on past form, Sunday might be like new episodes of 'Something Understood', or 'Just A Minute', ancient history now.
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Post by strokecitydave » November 15th, 2020, 9:16 pm
Joe K wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 12:57 pm
...despite the stuff that we've been getting stuff like 'Cabin Pressure' in the Sunday slot for the last couple of months. This means that it's not just Friday's episode we're missing (which doesn't get a repeat the next day, so WIGIG), but Sunday's too. I now know that this is why I keep missing the end of the Sunday morning omnibus. It's four episodes, not five.
I always assumed that things would eventually get back to normal, but now I wonder if one, or even both of these episodes could succumb to the 'the new normal', and BBC costcutting, as repeats of 'Something Understood' and cheap to make 'Fourthought's invade our schedules.
I wasn't expecting 'Loose Ends' on a Monday morning...
I hear "Something Understood" every week as I get up at 5.30 to let the hens out and am back in bed by 6 o'clock with tea. I always end up understanding nothing! Also, the absurd "Beyond Belief". The only thing beyond belief to me is that R4 is prepared to give over 30 mins a week to this niche programme. While I'm on, can anyone tell me anything about Steadman Surprise Doubles?
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Post by catvirago » November 15th, 2020, 9:57 pm
Earlier this evening I turned off 'love in recovery' I think it's called. About recovering alcoholics but seems to consist if people shouting and arguing with each other. Does anyone find this entertaining?
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Post by Joe K » November 19th, 2020, 2:27 pm
'Love In Recovery' stretches the concept of comedy drama (which is how it's labelled) to breaking point. In the first series, they tried to arrive at some kind of semi-farcical LOL moment before the end of an episode, but now its snarl, snarl punch, subvert all that with an emotional speech, and the episode ends without a titter. It's a waste of Rebecca Front and Johnny Vegas, and John Hannah might as well not be in it, because I don't recognise him in any of the characters. Maybe that's because all the Scottish actors on Radio 4 blend into each other after a while.
You sort of expect Paul Kaye to be in this kind of thing, but as with 'Relativity', those who should know better aren't rowing for the shores of humour.
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Post by dougie » November 22nd, 2020, 1:10 pm
catvirago wrote: ↑November 15th, 2020, 9:57 pm
Earlier this evening I turned off 'love in recovery' I think it's called. About recovering alcoholics but seems to consist if people shouting and arguing with each other. Does anyone find this entertaining?
I don't.
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Post by Mable by the Table » November 25th, 2020, 12:54 am
strokecitydave wrote: ↑November 15th, 2020, 9:16 pm
I hear "Something Understood" every week as I get up at 5.30 to let the hens out and am back in bed by 6 o'clock with tea. I always end up understanding nothing! Also, the absurd "Beyond Belief". The only thing beyond belief to me is that R4 is prepared to give over 30 mins a week to this niche programme. While I'm on, can anyone tell me anything about Steadman Surprise Doubles?
Not much no, SCD. But I'm sure they're easier to ring than the Triples!
I'm always glad to catch Bells on Sunday and have been surprised lately to hear how many St Mary's there seem to be. Maybe the producers have a little side bet of some kind...
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Post by Joe K » December 7th, 2020, 2:11 pm
Back on topic, it's still apparent that 'Feedback' won't correct Roger Bolton's mistake, if it is one.
The Archers' Facebook page isn't the best place to seek an answer, but there's nowhere else, now.
'Since the last new episode was on Thursday, 3rd December, and we're treading water until this evening, could the Archers Facebook page address the failure of 'Feedback' to acknowledge that we're not actually down from 'five episodes to four' because of the epidemic, but actually from six, because Roger Bolton has obviously missed out Sunday's episode being cut, too?
'Unless there's a plan to permanently scrap Sunday episodes, and Radio 4 doesn't want to tip their hand too early by giving a response?
Because of the BBC scrapping all messageboards, including The Archers' (even though that was supposedly funded separately), it's hard to ask questions like this in comment sections that apply to one episode only, and are soon forgotten. Maybe this will start a debate which will attract an answer?'
At some point, the thread I posted on the Mustardland forum will disappear (and the link below will give an error), because threads have a limited shelf-life. I want there to be some record of the fact that I raised the issue of Feedback ignoring Roger Bolton's apparent slip, should Sunday broadcasts of the archers never return.
Simply cutting and pasting the two pages looks messy, but it's all there, and that's the main thing.
It just hit me this week that it's not just Friday that was cut...
Post by Joe K » October 19th, 2020, 12:57 pm
...despite the stuff that we've been getting stuff like 'Cabin Pressure' in the Sunday slot for the last couple of months. This means that it's not just Friday's episode we're missing (which doesn't get a repeat the next day, so WIGIG), but Sunday's too. I now know that this is why I keep missing the end of the Sunday morning omnibus. It's four episodes, not five.
I always assumed that things would eventually get back to normal, but now I wonder if one, or even both of these episodes could succumb to the 'the new normal', and BBC costcutting, as repeats of 'Something Understood' and cheap to make 'Fourthought's invade our schedules.
I wasn't expecting 'Loose Ends' on a Monday morning...
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Post by Barwick_Green » October 19th, 2020, 2:01 pm
I wasn't expecting 'Loose Ends' on a Monday morning...
There are more than enough loose ends in TA.....did Jazzer hand over the lottery ticket winnings to Johnny? Was Jim Lloyd’s extension ever finished? Is Shula at viccaring school (where is fatso Franks,?) Is Auntie Cardboard still alive in her sheltered housing? Has the BFNI dairy re-opened yet? Where are the new younger attractive bar staff at the Bull?
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Post by Aonghas » October 19th, 2020, 2:30 pm
Barwick_Green wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 2:01 pm
There are more than enough loose ends in TA.....did Jazzer hand over the lottery ticket winnings to Johnny? Was Jim Lloyd’s extension ever finished? Is Shula at viccaring school (where is fatso Franks,?) Is Auntie Cardboard still alive in her sheltered housing? Has the BFNI dairy re-opened yet? Where are the new younger attractive bar staff at the Bull?
How is Justin's octogenarian Cousin Tinnie's new baking business doing?
Is Ian on some form of special leave?
Is GG even working?
Is Alice still meant to be working in the HF office?
Is the new peacock still roaming free and savaging helpless coppers?
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Post by catvirago » October 19th, 2020, 3:09 pm
Is Helen still on the banks of the Am yelling across to Lee? Is he seeing his girls? Is giddy Jack still alive?
Whatever happened to Kirstie, that sensible lass who could see through a wrong 'un a mile off. We seem to have acquired a dim wit called curse-tea in her place.
I miss the Sunday episode more than any others. It was a pleasant way of finishing the weekend & easing into a new week.
I'll bet we never get 6 episodes back. Cost cutting & all that & the listener & pun'ers have no choice. Take it or leave it.
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Post by Penny Magpie » October 19th, 2020, 4:03 pm
I miss the Friday episodes more. There was always a feeling of wrapping up some of the week's events, plus the possibility of a cliffhanger or crisis of some sort. But a three-day weekend is far too long for a drama that's supposed to run in real time. We're only getting two-thirds of the airtime we used to get - or to put it another way, they'd have to increase it by 50% to get back to the previous level.
In a way, this grumbling is a compliment to TA. During the miserable monologues, it was almost a relief when I found it was an Archers-free night, but now that the SLs have picked up again, I want more! TA has been part of the fabric of my everday life for many years, but a four-day week doesn't really do this now.
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Post by Whitstable_Oystercatcher » October 19th, 2020, 5:18 pm
Penny Magpie wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 4:03 pm
I miss the Friday episodes more.
So do I. When I first started listening, and for quite a few years afterwards, five episodes a week was all there was.
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Post by Aonghas » October 19th, 2020, 5:41 pm
Same here. Just the five till 1998. And of course they skimmed minutes from those to create Sunday.
It was a boon to get the Minivan customised to accommodate all the week's minutes though it stopped fitting nicely on a C60.
{Now here's a thing does anyone think there is a poster young enough to wonder what a C60 was?}
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Post by catvirago » October 19th, 2020, 8:18 pm
If a C60 is what I think it is it's a tape that lasts 60 minutes. I used to tape the top 20 with Alan Freeman from the radio using them., always trying to avoid him talking over the start if a record. Always bought the make called Basf as they were supposedly the best
We pronounced them bass eff if buying one. Never found out how it should have been said.
I'm not claiming to be young but tapes were a big part of my teens, 20's & 30's.
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Post by steenbok » October 19th, 2020, 8:32 pm
I used to get C90s. C120s had a shorter lifetime than a mayfly.
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Post by Aonghas » October 19th, 2020, 8:37 pm
Def C90s. Durable enough and would normally take an album on each side with occasional pruning.
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Post by Chris Ghoti » October 19th, 2020, 8:39 pm
Aonghas wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 5:41 pm
It was a boon to get the Minivan customised to accommodate all the week's minutes though it stopped fitting nicely on a C60.
Yes, had to use a C90 instead. Never used C120 because they snapped too easily.
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Post by Penny Magpie » October 19th, 2020, 9:09 pm
This is as good a time as any to tell you that my daughter once dropped a cassette tape (length irrelevant) into an electric toaster by mistake - it was on a shelf above the toaster and fell in just as she was putting in some bread. It emerged like something from a Salvador Dali painting and was kept on display afterwards like some sort of conceptual artwork.
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Post by Colmans » October 20th, 2020, 8:38 am
catvirago wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 3:09 pm
Is Helen still on the banks of the Am yelling across to Lee? Is he seeing his girls? Is giddy Jack still alive?
Whatever happened to Kirstie, that sensible lass who could see through a wrong 'un a mile off. We seem to have acquired a dim wit called curse-tea in her place.
I miss the Sunday episode more than any others. It was a pleasant way of finishing the weekend & easing into a new week.
I'll bet we never get 6 episodes back. Cost cutting & all that & the listener & pun'ers have no choice. Take it or leave it.
If had a "like" button , I'd press it now.
We are being short-changed and I think this will be the new normal.
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Post by SabrinaT » October 20th, 2020, 8:42 am
She should have entered it for the Turner prize, Penny!
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Post by Chris Ghoti » October 20th, 2020, 10:40 am
Penny Magpie wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 9:09 pm
This is as good a time as any to tell you that my daughter once dropped a cassette tape (length irrelevant) into an electric toaster by mistake - it was on a shelf above the toaster and fell in just as she was putting in some bread. It emerged like something from a Salvador Dali painting and was kept on display afterwards like some sort of conceptual artwork.
If she'd been in Bristol we'd have said "take it down the Arnolfini!"
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Post by Penny Magpie » October 20th, 2020, 3:23 pm
Chris Ghoti wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 10:40 am
If she'd been in Bristol we'd have said "take it down the Arnolfini!"
Yes, I think she missed a trick. All it needed was a snappy name ... come on, there's a challenge! (And no, I don't know what was on the tape, it was probably a C90 or something with her own mix of music on it.)
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Post by Lucifer Sam » October 20th, 2020, 6:54 pm
Penny Magpie wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 4:03 pm
I miss the Friday episodes more. There was always a feeling of wrapping up some of the week's events, plus the possibility of a cliffhanger or crisis of some sort. But a three-day weekend is far too long for a drama that's supposed to run in real time. We're only getting two-thirds of the airtime we used to get - or to put it another way, they'd have to increase it by 50% to get back to the previous level.
In a way, this grumbling is a compliment to TA. During the miserable monologues, it was almost a relief when I found it was an Archers-free night, but now that the SLs have picked up again, I want more! TA has been part of the fabric of my everday life for many years, but a four-day week doesn't really do this now.
I agree with you , Penny; four times a week ain't enough. For me, five is the right number.
In defence of the BBC, I think the Sunday episode was introduced because a lot of things happen on a Sunday; cricket matches, fetes, 'open farm' days, etc. When the programme started in the 1950s Sundays were very different indeed; church, a big lunch and then sitting at home getting bored. (At least that's what my extensive research (that episode of 'Hancock's Half Hour') tells me.)
Maybe the best rhythm for TA would be Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Nothing much seems to happen on Tuesdays.
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Post by Tugrin » October 20th, 2020, 7:13 pm
Sundays were just like that - sheer purgatory in the darker months and only a bit better in the summer....(aaaargh Sing Something Simple felt like a doom laden bell tolling the death of the weekend - put me seriously off the accordian for life).
I remember feeling a bit uncomfortable about the Sunday epi when it first started - have I mentioned how much I dislike change?? But I quickly grew to feel exactly the same way about it cosily finishing off the weekend.
I don't know how I feel about the return or not of the former schedule because I stopped listening on any kind of regular basis after the Helen/Rob debacle.
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Post by Chris Ghoti » October 20th, 2020, 7:50 pm
Lucifer Sam wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 6:54 pm
Maybe the best rhythm for TA would be Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Nothing much seems to happen on Tuesdays.
Except for all the things that are arranged for Tuesday evenings because nothing ever happens on Tuesdays, so that you have to miss all but one of them.
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Post by Rwth of the Cornovii » October 20th, 2020, 8:14 pm
I want them to drop Sunday and give the minutes back to weekdays. Then they can just do the trails at 8.45 on Monday. One of each. We really don't need trails, and I still don't understand why there is an hour of news at 5pm followed by another half hour of more news at 6pm. It's the state interference breaking up our attention span by alternately splitting trains of thought then boring us silly with political gossip and speculation interminably.
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Post by Aonghas » October 20th, 2020, 8:19 pm
Rwth of the Cornovii wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 8:14 pm
I still don't understand why there is an hour of news at 5pm followed by another half hour of more news at 6pm.
That! Though I didn't mind the news I found it utterly flummoxing as child on car journeys that after PM we would seemingly start again but in a more boring way.
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Post by Joe K » October 20th, 2020, 8:21 pm
Penny Magpie wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 4:03 pm
In a way, this grumbling is a compliment to TA. During the miserable monologues, it was almost a relief when I found it was an Archers-free night, but now that the SLs have picked up again, I want more! TA has been part of the fabric of my everday life for many years, but a four-day week doesn't really do this now.
In a nutshell. It's in my DNA to catch the programme when I remember, but recently, it's been a relief to realise that it's Friday, there's no Archers, and by Sunday I'd stopped thinking about it at all.
It's only now that the deficit is becoming apparent and, as above, it's not just about the Archers but every little wheeze the Beeb employs to make ends meet. Now 'Tracks' is getting repeated daily on weekdays, and the old rule of two repeats only has clearly been ditched.
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Post by Joe K » October 20th, 2020, 8:23 pm
catvirago wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 8:18 pm
If a C60 is what I think it is it's a tape that lasts 60 minutes. I used to tape the top 20 with Alan Freeman from the radio using them., always trying to avoid him talking over the start if a record. Always bought the make called Basf as they were supposedly the best
We pronounced them bass eff if buying one. Never found out how it should have been said.
I'm not claiming to be young but tapes were a big part of my teens, 20's & 30's.
BASFs were the best. Chrome Normal II in particular. I had a few with a 100 minutes, and that was just right for a mix tape.
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Post by hiya_loxley » October 20th, 2020, 8:34 pm
You still needed a C120 as a C90 only had 45 minutes on each side so you had to be there to turn it over half way through in which case you might as well just listen to it.
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Post by Aonghas » October 20th, 2020, 8:42 pm
hiya_loxley wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 8:34 pm
You still needed a C120 as a C90 only had 45 minutes on each side so you had to be there to turn it over half way through in which case you might as well just listen to it.
By the time I was taping regularly or having tapes sent technology had solved that problem, so no you didn't.
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Post by Chris Ghoti » October 20th, 2020, 9:15 pm
Joe K wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 8:21 pm
It's only now that the deficit is becoming apparent and, as above, it's not just about the Archers but every little wheeze the Beeb employs to make ends meet. Now 'Tracks' is getting repeated daily on weekdays, and the old rule of two repeats only has clearly been ditched.
If you aren't careful you can hear the same programme three times within two days on the World Service.
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Post by dougie » October 21st, 2020, 8:04 am
Chris Ghoti wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 9:15 pm
If you aren't careful you can hear the same programme three times within two days on the World Service.
R4X has only six hours of programming a day repeated four times in 24 hours.
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Post by Funny Mummy » October 21st, 2020, 12:27 pm
dougie wrote: ↑October 21st, 2020, 8:04 am
R4X has only six hours of programming a day repeated four times in 24 hours.
I read that as 'Rex has only six hours of programming a day repeated four times in 24 hours'. What a thought, Rex, 24/7.
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Post by Joe K » October 21st, 2020, 12:57 pm
Chris Ghoti wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 9:15 pm
If you aren't careful you can hear the same programme three times within two days on the World Service.
Used to be, you could hear the same programme, or 'feature', three times in one night on the World Service, so I guess that's improved. Though the programming hasn't.
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Post by Chris Ghoti » October 21st, 2020, 1:01 pm
Joe K wrote: ↑October 21st, 2020, 12:57 pm
Used to be, you could hear the same programme, or 'feature', three times in one night on the World Service, so I guess that's improved. Though the programming hasn't.
I am utterly furious with them about today's "Witness History": now is not the time to broadcast a programme about a vaccine which went wrong 65 years ago!
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Post by rosiet » October 21st, 2020, 1:47 pm
Aonghas wrote: ↑October 20th, 2020, 8:42 pm
By the time I was taping regularly or having tapes sent technology had solved that problem, so no you didn't.
Still using cassette tapes for the Archers every day,
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Post by Joe K » October 26th, 2020, 10:26 am
Joe K wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 12:57 pm
...despite the stuff that we've been getting stuff like 'Cabin Pressure' in the Sunday slot for the last couple of months.
I just noticed the excess of 'stuff' in that sentence. Probably paused while typing, and then mistakenly though the second one was needed between 'getting' and 'like'.
The reason I've come back to it is that 'Feedback' is also apparently under the impression that it's four episodes instead of five now, and this thread is further evidence that it's worse than that.
I hope this doesn't mean the Sunday episode is for the chop.
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Post by Joe K » November 15th, 2020, 2:16 pm
Sadly, Roger Bolton hasn't corrected his mistake, and on past form, Sunday might be like new episodes of 'Something Understood', or 'Just A Minute', ancient history now.
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Post by strokecitydave » November 15th, 2020, 9:16 pm
Joe K wrote: ↑October 19th, 2020, 12:57 pm
...despite the stuff that we've been getting stuff like 'Cabin Pressure' in the Sunday slot for the last couple of months. This means that it's not just Friday's episode we're missing (which doesn't get a repeat the next day, so WIGIG), but Sunday's too. I now know that this is why I keep missing the end of the Sunday morning omnibus. It's four episodes, not five.
I always assumed that things would eventually get back to normal, but now I wonder if one, or even both of these episodes could succumb to the 'the new normal', and BBC costcutting, as repeats of 'Something Understood' and cheap to make 'Fourthought's invade our schedules.
I wasn't expecting 'Loose Ends' on a Monday morning...
I hear "Something Understood" every week as I get up at 5.30 to let the hens out and am back in bed by 6 o'clock with tea. I always end up understanding nothing! Also, the absurd "Beyond Belief". The only thing beyond belief to me is that R4 is prepared to give over 30 mins a week to this niche programme. While I'm on, can anyone tell me anything about Steadman Surprise Doubles?
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Post by catvirago » November 15th, 2020, 9:57 pm
Earlier this evening I turned off 'love in recovery' I think it's called. About recovering alcoholics but seems to consist if people shouting and arguing with each other. Does anyone find this entertaining?
Many a time I despair about what's on offer on R4 but they have to cater for all tastes.
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Post by Joe K » November 19th, 2020, 2:27 pm
'Love In Recovery' stretches the concept of comedy drama (which is how it's labelled) to breaking point. In the first series, they tried to arrive at some kind of semi-farcical LOL moment before the end of an episode, but now its snarl, snarl punch, subvert all that with an emotional speech, and the episode ends without a titter. It's a waste of Rebecca Front and Johnny Vegas, and John Hannah might as well not be in it, because I don't recognise him in any of the characters. Maybe that's because all the Scottish actors on Radio 4 blend into each other after a while.
You sort of expect Paul Kaye to be in this kind of thing, but as with 'Relativity', those who should know better aren't rowing for the shores of humour.
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Post by dougie » November 22nd, 2020, 1:10 pm
catvirago wrote: ↑November 15th, 2020, 9:57 pm
Earlier this evening I turned off 'love in recovery' I think it's called. About recovering alcoholics but seems to consist if people shouting and arguing with each other. Does anyone find this entertaining?
I don't.
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Post by Mable by the Table » November 25th, 2020, 12:54 am
strokecitydave wrote: ↑November 15th, 2020, 9:16 pm
I hear "Something Understood" every week as I get up at 5.30 to let the hens out and am back in bed by 6 o'clock with tea. I always end up understanding nothing! Also, the absurd "Beyond Belief". The only thing beyond belief to me is that R4 is prepared to give over 30 mins a week to this niche programme. While I'm on, can anyone tell me anything about Steadman Surprise Doubles?
Not much no, SCD. But I'm sure they're easier to ring than the Triples!
I'm always glad to catch Bells on Sunday and have been surprised lately to hear how many St Mary's there seem to be. Maybe the producers have a little side bet of some kind...
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Post by Joe K » December 7th, 2020, 2:11 pm
Back on topic, it's still apparent that 'Feedback' won't correct Roger Bolton's mistake, if it is one.
The Archers' Facebook page isn't the best place to seek an answer, but there's nowhere else, now.
'Since the last new episode was on Thursday, 3rd December, and we're treading water until this evening, could the Archers Facebook page address the failure of 'Feedback' to acknowledge that we're not actually down from 'five episodes to four' because of the epidemic, but actually from six, because Roger Bolton has obviously missed out Sunday's episode being cut, too?
'Unless there's a plan to permanently scrap Sunday episodes, and Radio 4 doesn't want to tip their hand too early by giving a response?
Because of the BBC scrapping all messageboards, including The Archers' (even though that was supposedly funded separately), it's hard to ask questions like this in comment sections that apply to one episode only, and are soon forgotten. Maybe this will start a debate which will attract an answer?'